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Comparative Religion – Part 8 Contradiction Verses

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Contradiction of the Bible Verses

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‘Disputes over the Scriptures’

Comparative Religion – Eighth Night

BM : At the meeting last night I explained the Contradiction verse in the Bible. At the present meeting, do you still have questions to ask me?

AW : If there are still verses in the Bible that contradict one verse from another, I ask to be explained to increase my confidence to where the sanctity of the Bible is interfered with by human hands.

BM : Last night you admitted that you were satisfied. Is it not better, we will only discuss the most important chapters.

AW : Yes, but your explanation about the verses in the Bible is just opening my heart a little. That’s why I brought this Bible book again.

BM : Alright, I’ll show it, for your satisfaction.

AW : Thank you. Hope, you will show evidence of the opposite verses. I want to know more.

BM : Please check with John chapter 1 verse 18.

AW : Article and this verse says:

John 1:18 New International Version (NIV)
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

BM : What do you think is the composition of this verse.

AW : This verse shows that God has never been seen by anyone, but only Jesus has seen it.

BM : Then please check in the book of Genesis chapter 18 verse 1.

AW : Here it says:

Genesis 18:1-8 New International Version (NIV)
The Three Visitors
18 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day.

BM : Well, here you prove for yourself the dispute in these two verses, in one verse it says God was only revealed by Jesus, no one saw it.

While in another verse there is mention that Abraham also saw God. Are not these two verses opposite? Which is true in these two verses.

AW : Yes, I admit it is indeed not suitable.

BM : I continue. Please check again in the book: “Genesis chapter 32 verse 30.”

AW : Yes, it says:

Genesis 32:30 New International Version (NIV)
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

BM : Note: in one verse it says, nobody saw God, but Jesus. Another verse says that Abraham saw God.

In another verse there is mention of Jacob seeing God instead meeting face to face.

Which is true among the three verses? Impossible all true, because it is clear the composition of the verses that clearly contain verses that are at odds with the new.

If it is said that one of the verses is true, then the two verses must be all wrong.

No wonder a scripture contains a wrong verse? And if everything is said to be wrong, then can the book be preserved of its holiness, if the verses are contradictory.

AW : Yes, I admit that the verses do not match with each other.

BM : Your confession is indeed important, but it is more important if it is followed by awareness.

AW : I hope to show again the verses in the Gospels that are at odds.

BM : Alright, please check in the second book of Samuel chapter 8 verse 9, 10.

AW : In this chapter and verse it says:

2 Samuel 8:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
9 When Tou king of Hamath heard that David had defeated the entire army of Hadadezer,

10 he sent his son Joram to King David to greet him and congratulate him on his victory in battle over Hadadezer, who had been at war with Tou. Joram brought with him articles of silver, of gold and of bronze.

BM : It should be read until there, what do you think the verse means, what is the name of King Hamath’s son?

AW : According to this verse, the king of Hamath’s son named “Joram”

BM : Now please check the first Chronicles, chapter 18 verse 9-10.

AW : Here it says:

1 Chronicles 18:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
9 When Tou king of Hamath heard that David had defeated the entire army of Hadadezer king of Zobah,

10 he sent his son Hadoram to King David to greet him and congratulate him on his victory in battle over Hadadezer, who had been at war with Tou. Hadoram brought all kinds of articles of gold, of silver and of bronze.

BM : In this verse what is the name of King Hamath son?.

AW : According to this verse, the name of the king of Hamath’s son is “Hadoram”

BM : Now, pay attention: in one verse the name of King Hamat is “Joram” while in another verse it says “Hadoram” Which is the true name Joram or Hadoram.

AW : Yes, the name is indeed at odds. However, only the difference in name. So only a small dispute.

BM : If it is the fault of ordinary people, of course we don’t mind, but this is the error of “Revelation” or “Inspiration.”

AW : Yes, it is also your opinion, This is a mistake of revelation or inspiration.

Impossible revelation or inspiration from God there is a mistake even though the mistakes are few and the least.

BM : I am not asking about whether or not I know, but about the truth in those two verses.

AW : I don’t know which one is right.

BM : It’s not just you who don’t know the truth, even the one who wrote that verse can’t show the truth about the true name; whereas the so-called holy books must be true in their contents, free from all kinds of mistakes, up to the smallest mistakes, according to your confession earlier.

AW : It should.

BM : But the reality is not so. The proof, please check again in the second Samuel Chapter 8 verse 8.

AW : Alright, in this chapter and verse it states:

8 From Tebah and Berothai, towns that belonged to Hadadezer, King David took a great quantity of bronze.

BM : What do you mean by this verse?

AW : The point is that King David took a lot of bronze from two places called Betach and Berothai.

BM : Please check in the first Chronicles Book chapter 18 verse 8.

AW : Well here it says:

New International Version
From Tebah and Kun, towns that belonged to Hadadezer, David took a great quantity of bronze, which Solomon used to make the bronze Sea, the pillars and various bronze articles.

BM : Prove that in one verse the two places that David took his bronze are Tebah and Berothai, while in another verse it mentions Tebah and Kun.

In these two verses which place was the Bronze taken by David? If it is true the Gospels should be holy from mistakes and disputes or contradictions about the verses.

AW : Yes, these two verses do not match, one contradicting one another.

BM : Do you still need the opposite verses in the Bible.

AW : I feel fortunate that you are still willing to show in order to increase my awareness.

BM : Strange, again it is not suitable.

AW : It is indeed impossible in the scriptures to contain verses that contradict each other.

BM : In order to make the impossibility more real, keep checking in the second book of Samuel chapter 23 verse 8.

AW : In this verse it is structured as follows:

2 Samuel 23:8 New International Version (NIV)
David’s Mighty Warriors
8 These are the names of David’s mighty warriors:

Josheb-Basshebeth, a Tahkemonite, was chief of the Three; he raised his spear against eight hundred men, whom he killed in one encounter.

BM : Based on this verse I want to ask you what is the name of the hero who accompanied David according to this verse?

AW : His name is Josheb-Basshebeth, a Tahkemonite,

BM : What is he holding?

AW : Chief of all three.

BM : How many people did he stab in one fight?

AW : Eight hundred people.

BM : If so, please check the first Chronicles chapter 11 verse 11.

AW : In this verse the composition of the sentence is as follows:

1 Chronicles 11:11 New International Version (NIV)
11 this is the list of David’s mighty warriors:

Jashobeam, a Hakmonite, was chief of the officers; he raised his spear against three hundred men, whom he killed in one encounter.

BM : Based on this verse I want to ask you what is the name of the hero who accompanied David according to this verse?

AW : His name isJashobeam, a Hakmonite.

BM : What is he holding?

AW : chief of the officers.

BM : How many people did he stab in one fight?

AW : A total of Three hundred people.

BM : Match these two verses between one and the other?

AW : Too incompatible even in these two verses there are 3 kinds of very clear differences.

BM : Indeed. In one verse there is a hero who accompanied David named Josheb-Basshebeth, a Tahkemonite and in another verse namedJashobeam, a Hakmonite.

Even in this verse it mentions the heads of three. In that verse there is also mention stabbing 800 (eight hundred) people in one fight and in another verse stabbing 300 (three hundred) people in one fight.

AW : Intermezzo is a bit Mr. Kyai.

BM : Yes, what kind of intermezzo can I use?

AW : I feel really impressed, because Mr. Kyai memorized by heart about the verses of the Bible. But if I’m not mistaken, there are thousands of verses in the Bible. In a way how you memorize it.

BM : Next time I can explain to you.

AW : Memorizing them, of course, is very hard, What really amazes me, can you show the exact location of the verses in the Bible and it is even more surprising to recite the verses of the Bible that contradict each other.

Both about the names of the letters, the article, as well as the verses, all of which are very precise father shows it.

Yes I ask; even among the brothers who were present last night there were those who whispered in my ears, giving encouragement to ask the father.

BM : So that it doesn’t take much time, I answered simply, I memorize something not only using the Born sensory devices (exterior census), but also the means of inner senses (interior census).

Information about this problem is quite long, requires between and a separate time. If you have a desire, I’ll explain later.

AW : Alright then, now we continue.

BM : As proof, that the inner sensory can penetrate, so I translate my inner view into the Bible, to show you the verses in the opposite Bible.

AW : Thank you.

BM : Please check again in the second book of Samuel chapter 24 verse 1.

AW : In this chapter and verse it says:

2 Samuel 24 New International Version (NIV)
David Enrolls the Fighting Men
24 Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.”

BM : According to this verse, who invited David to say and oppose the Israelites?

AW : According to the composition of this verse that invites David is God.

BM : Right, now please check the first Chronicles chapter 21 verse 1.

AW : Alright, in the article and this verse says:

1 Chronicles 21 New International Version (NIV)
David Counts the Fighting Men
21 Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

BM : According to this verse who invited David to say to the Israelites.

AW : Based on this verse that invites David, is Satan.

BM : Well, pay attention; in one verse it says that inviting David is God. Then in one other verse mention, who invited David was Satan. Which is true between these two verses, God or Satan.

AW : Yes, that’s right; this is a very striking dispute.

BM : If so, surely you can imagine, whether the Bible that is still said is still sacred or has been interfered with by human hands.

AW : If it’s openly like this, of course it’s difficult to maintain its sanctity.

BM : Are you still not satisfied with the evidence that I show about the verses in the Bible that contradict each other?

AW : It’s quite clear.

BM : Never mind in that holy book until there are several verses that are contradictory even one verse there are verses that are at odds with other verses, it is enough reason to not be defended and be convinced of its holiness.

AW : Then how about the Bible which is considered sacred by its adherents?

BM : Actually, your question must be answered by yourself because you yourself still have the book.

But please answer me.

Every religion has a holy book.

However, if in the sacred book it turns out that there are several verses that are disputed or contradictory and do not match between one another, whether adherents of that religion still believe that the sacred book remains sacred?

Though what is called the holy book is revelation, inspiration from God. It is impossible for God’s revelation to be incompatible.

In one verse God said YES then in another verse stated NO. In one verse God said “A” then in another verse God said again not “A” but “B.” If this happened, it is not impossible that human hands have interfered in it.

AW : It’s quite satisfied; I have realized and I have begun to realize.

BM : Starting to realize and what kind of realization do you mean?

AW : My soul and consciousness began to open.

Tomorrow night I will describe the content of my heart, after I have received answers to my other questions to you.

BM : Alright.

AW : Why is it that many intelligent people (scholars) in the West have embraced Christianity?

If Islam is a true religion and its teachings are in accordance with Science and modernity, surely they will convert to Islam.

BM : Before I gave an answer, I would ask, you yourself included a scholar. Why do you embrace Islam?

AW : Yes, because the results of this discussion brought me deeper into and chose the teachings of the Islamic religion.

BM : If without the discussion that resulted in him adding to examine the teachings of Islam, is it possible for you to become a conscious follower of Islam?

AW : In my mind it is impossible.

BM : The people in the western country that you call are like you too in a religion.

AW : Yes, that’s right.

BM : It is true, because in this era there are many of them who have embraced the religion of Islam on the results of in-depth investigation and research.

AW : But there are Muslims who convert to Christianity.

BM : How did you know?

AW : In our own country.

The proof is that with the increasing construction of the Church,

Christian schools seem to be increasing while there are always numbers.

BM : Do Muslims who convert to Christianity consist of Islamic scholars.

AW : I don’t know, just from the words.

However, I myself have yet to find and yet have not heard Islamic scholars convert to Christianity.

BM : Then the Muslims in Indonesia who convert to religion are not from research results; so the entry is not because of his belief.

AW : Why do you think so?

BM : You proved yourself that there are many Muslims in Indonesia, who are poor, destitute and suffer in their lives.

They need money, food, clothing and medicine.

This opportunity is used by some Christians to influence them by distributing food, clothing, medicines and others if not mistaken.

AW : Yes, I have read in Qibla magazine.

BM : In this era there are a number of people in western countries who were originally Christian after investigating and researching Islamic teachings, which shows the truth of their Islamic teachings to be frankly converted to Islam; they are scholars, even among them there are Christian priests who become Muslims.

AW : Right, I myself have read in the Qibla Magazine.

BM : So it is clear, that people in Christian countries then converted to Islam because of the results of their research on the truth of the teachings of Islam, generally people in the West when doing research and investigations using scientific intelligence of their brains .

They became followers of Islam with their awareness and beliefs.

AW : I received your statement.

BM : Whereas Muslims in Indonesia who converted to Christianity were generally not from the results of their investigations and studies which were certainly not on the basis of their consciousness and belief, but because of a hungry stomach, because of his life on Monday Thursday, he needed food, money, clothes and medicine.

With my statement, you can compare it yourself because of the origins of Christians in Western countries who converted to Islam and Muslims in Indonesia who converted to Christianity.

AW : But of course there are also non-poor Indonesians who converted to Christianity

BM : But of course that generally does not come from adherents of Islam, maybe from other religions.

So there is still more to be asked.

AW : Yes, a little, tomorrow night only. It’s late now.

BM : Alright, tomorrow night, to be more perfect.

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Read Also :

Comparative Religion – Part 7 ‘Quick Review’

Comparative Religion – Part 9 Convert To Islam

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