‘Jesus the Redeemer’
Comparative Religion – Using google translate for translation from Indonesia to English, and, we Ready for edit our content if we there is miss translation. but for the verses, we use New International Version. don’t worry.
BM : Is it true that the Christian Belief that the coming of Jesus is to atone for Sin.
AW : Indeed it is.
BM : Where do you mention
AW : In the book of Acts chapter 5 verse 31
BM : Please read it.
AW : Well, here it says:
Acts 5:31 New International Version (NIV)
31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.
BM : The arrangement of these words was spoken by Peter, not Jesus’ words and not revelations from God.
AW : But in the Gospel of Luke chapter 2 verses 10 and 11 there is also mention.
BM : Read it.
AW : Here it says:
Luke 2:10-11 New International Version (NIV)
10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
BM : The angel said to whom according to the verse.
AW : In Luke chapter 2 verses 8 and 9 states that angels say to shepherds who live in the fields, watch over their animal friends at night.
BM : There is no statement that said it was an angel, and there was no statement from the shepherd himself regarding the event.
AW : For me there is no need to look deeper, because in the Gospels mentioning Jesus is the Savior and penance, that is enough.
BM : Alright, if you don’t need to re-examine the verse it’s okay, I follow your will, but I want to tell you, that in the book of Acts chapter 5 verse 31 that you read earlier there mentioned that Jesus, only the penance for Bani Israel alone, not for all humans.
And you as Christians, of course, are not atoned for by Jesus, because you are not descended from the Children of Israel.
So if you really hold on to your Scriptures, your Gospels, which you have read for yourself.
AW : At that time maybe only the Children of Israel were there. That is why Jesus said so, but in essence for all humans.
BM : If it is true that your disclaimer, please open it in Matthew chapter 1 verse 21.
AW : Well, in Matthew chapter 1 verse 21 says:
Matthew 1:21 New International Version (NIV)
21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”
BM : Is it not clear yet, the Bible itself explains that the coming of Jesus was only to release the sins of his people, not for all humans, as we have discussed.
AW : But I can also interpret: “his people” with the “Nation,” is the human race. So what is meant is for all nations.
BM : On what basis do you give that meaning? In the Bible itself clearly states with the word “His people.”
Put your words switch the word: “People” with the meaning “Nation,” so even that cannot be interpreted differently, except only the people of Jesus himself are the Hebrews (Israel).
AW : I am still not sure that your information as long as you were in the Bible itself does not mention explicitly, that Jesus came for the Children of Israel.
BM : If you have mentioned in the Bible, are you really going to be sure that the coming of Jesus is not for all nations.
AW : Yes, I’m sure, and that’s my opinion.
BM : Have you checked the Bible?
AW : I checked, but I didn’t memorize the verses of the Bible that hundreds might even have thousands of them.
BM : If so, please check the Gospel of Matthew chapter 15 verse 24.
AW : Alright, here it says:
Matthew 15:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
BM : Isn’t this verse clear, and cannot be twisted anymore, Jesus himself admitted that he was sent only for the Children of Israel, not for all humans or others.
So if the followers of Jesus (Christians) who are not of the Children of Israel, certainly do not belong to the people of Jesus, and their sins cannot be redeemed, because Jesus is only the Savior of the Children of Israel, while the brothers themselves are not of the Children of Israel.
AW : Yes, if so for me it’s rather troublesome. Somehow this should be.
BM : Well, then one can argue whether the benefits of Christians spreading their religion to humans who are not of the Children of Israel.
While Jesus himself did not do so.
Is this way can not be called bypassing the teachings of Jesus? And in the Gospel of Matthew that you read recently there is also mention of Jesus’ own wording ““I was sent only” Obviously here Jesus himself admitted he was told.
If Jesus is said to be God, then is God proper to be a messenger.
So Jesus is not God, but the messenger of God in accordance with Jesus’ own confession, which mentions in your own Gospel.
AW : That’s right, but sorry first if for example it is not possible that the verse has a typo. This is just my own guess, but again I’m sorry.
BM : It’s okay if you are hesitant, but to eliminate doubts, let’s check this Dutch-language book that you happen to bring. This book is entitled: “Bijbellezingen voor het Huisgezin.” You agree.
AW : All right, and that is what we meant earlier, so that we can check together whether the Indonesian Bible verses, together with the Dutch ones.
BM : Please check in the chapter: “De onderdanen van het koningrijk” page 834, verse 12 has the verse been found.
AW : Here it is.
BM : So let’s check, in this verse it says: “Toen de vrouw van Canaan tot Christus kwan, Hem om smehende haar dochter te genezen, wat zei Hijtoen ?. Maar Hij antwoordende, zeide: ‘Ik ben niet gezenden and tot de verloren schapen van huis Israel.’
then what does it say? Then Jesus answered, he said: ‘I was not ordered by the others, only to all the sheep that went astray from the Children of Israel.’ ” *google translate
AW : Well to put it bluntly, it seems that my position has started to lean towards your statements.
BM : Alhamdulillah, I am grateful, because you have become more confused in your beliefs.
At the last meeting, we read the composition of verses in the Gospel of Matthew chapter 26 verses 1 and 2.
AW : Yes, I remember, I will explain the verse.
BM : Fine, if you still feel the need to give an explanation.
AW : I will read the sound of the verse again.
BM : Alright, at the last meeting I explained. Maybe you still need to argue (refute my statement). Please read it.
AW : The verse reads as follows:
Matthew 26:1-2 New International Version (NIV)
The Plot Against Jesus
26 When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples,
2 “As you know, the Passover is two days away—and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified.”
So Jesus’ coming was to be crucified. Based on this verse.
BM : Why did Jesus cry out to God for help when he was going to be crucified, if it was true that Jesus came to be crucified. He should be willing to be crucified.
Jesus cry for help, as I mentioned in our first meeting, is in Matthew chapter 27 verse 46: which reads as follows:
Matthew 27:46 New International Version (NIV)
46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
(which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
AW : The verse read earlier shows that the divine body of Jesus knew in advance that his human body would be on the cross. So the one who yells is not a child of God, but the human body of Jesus, so he gives up on the cross.
BM : If so, when Jesus was on the Cross where was his divine body Jesus.
If you answer separately, then it shows that Jesus is not always one with God.
But if you answer there, why can’t his divine body help Jesus, so he is screaming for help.
AW : I don’t understand what this problem really is.
BM : Not only that, but we can still go on again in Matthew chapter 26 verse 38 which says:
Matthew 26:38 New International Version (NIV)
38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”
Why did Jesus’ divine body not have the power to remove the grief he felt.
Instead he said to his students asking to stand guard with him.
No wonder God begs humans.
AW : If I hold on to that Gospel verse, that Jesus only came to the Children of Israel, then is it wrong if we invite people outside the Children of Israel to believe in Jesus.
BM : If you are consistently holding on to the Gospel verse, it shouldn’t be your opinion.
If you have deviated from the steps of Jesus because Jesus himself said that his coming was only to atone for the sins of the Children of Israel solely, not other humans.
AW : Put the word of Jesus’ coming only to the Children of Israel, and if there were people from outside the Children of Israel who converted to Christianity, then that does not mean that the Gospel verses and Christian teachings were wrong.
BM : If so, were the Children of Israel who crucified Jesus redeemed?
AW : I don’t know.
BM : Why in the Gospels did Jesus say that he came to atone for the sins of the Children of Israel.
Thus the Children of Israel who crucified Jesus must have atoned for their sins.
Moreover, based on your testimony, the people who crucified Jesus should not have sinned, instead they will receive a great reward, if Jesus came to be crucified.
If there was no one who was willing to crucify Jesus, surely the sin of the Children of Israel would not be separated and the coming of Jesus could no longer be called a penance.
Those who crucified Jesus should receive a great reward, not cursed, because they have been credited with crucifying Jesus, because of their actions, the sins of the Children of Israel were all redeemed.
I have given this answer in part at our last meeting.
AW : In this case I can’t answer now, but maybe another time.
BM : I will repeat my question again: Is it true that because Jesus was crucified, sin can be erased.
AW : Yes, that’s right according to the Gospel verse.
BM : What was the instrument used to crucify Jesus.
AW : If I’m not mistaken, it is the wood called: “The Cross”
BM : Then Jesus hung on wood when he was crucified.
AW : Yes, so, as we often see the picture of Jesus crucified.
BM : Please check with Galatians chapter 3 verse 13.
AW : Alright, it says here:
Galatians 3:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
BM : According to your testimony, Jesus was willing to be on the cross, whereas according to Galatians that you read says: Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole, and if so can atone for the sins of humans.
AW : Thank you, I have realized. Shouldn’t we move to other articles. But on another night, because now the time is too late at night.
BM : Alright it’s up to you, brother.
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