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‘JESUS AS GOD?’

Comparative Religion – Using google translate for translation from Indonesia to English, and, we Ready for edit our content if we there is miss translation. but for the verses, we use New International Version. don’t worry.

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BM : Since when were you Christian?
AW : Since I was born.

BM : Did you really learn that Christianity is the truest religion?
AW : Yes, indeed I realize.

BM : Do you believe that the Gospels are sacred?
AW : Yes, I’m very sure.

BM : From whom do you understand that the Bible is from God the Most Holy?
AW : My teacher explained that the Bible is the Bible containing the teachings of the Lord Jesus, recorded by the Apostles Matthew, Luke, John and the Apostle Mark.

BM : What is meant by the Scriptures means that the Bible is Clean than mistakes.
AW : That’s right. But what do you mean by mistake?

BM : For example: At one time someone reported to A’s brother that he was sick, while someone else told him that at that time A was not sick. Both news are all correct or all wrong, or one of them is true?
AW : Between the two of course it’s either true or both of them are false and impossible both are true.

BM : For example, Person A has 3 children and another person says Person A has 10 children. Are the two words true or false all or one of them true?
AW : It can’t be all right, but one of them is right or all of them is wrong.

BM : If I say everything is true, what do you think?
AW : That is impossible, because apparently there is a dispute between the two.

BM : Suppose there is a holy book, but the verses in it between one and another there is a dispute, whether the book will be called the Scriptures?
AW : Certainly not the holy book, because the so-called holy book is inspiration (revelation) from God, which is impossible to have errors or disputes.

BM : So if it’s not the Scriptures anymore?
AW : Right, the sanctity has been canceled.

BM : If so, of course the contents cannot be trusted, its holiness or its truth, because there are disputes between the verses.
AW : What is clear among the verses is definitely not from God, or have been mixed with human compositions, so that the sanctity is tarnished. In short, it’s no longer pure.

BM : If for example the Bible contains a difference between one verse and another verse, do you still believe that the Bible is a holy book?
AW : I’m not sure if the Bible is impure.

Except if there is concrete evidence that shows the verses are at odds with each other, which can raise my doubts about his holiness. According to your research, are there any Bible verses in contention?

BM : Yes, many are at odds.
AW : In the Old or New Testament.

BM : Both of them have several disputes between one verse and the other.
AW : In what chapter and in what chapter and verse?

BM : In order to arrange them in a number of chapters: First, about the Jesus, because the matter of divinity is including the main belief in each religion.

So this problem needs to be prioritized. After that, we move on to other questions related to Christianity which are written in the Bible. What do you think?
AW : Fine, I agree with your opinion.

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BM : Now I want to ask, what is your reason that Jesus became a child of God?
AW : In “Matthew,” chapter 3 verse 17 says :

Matthew 3:17 New International Version (NIV)
17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

Also in Luke chapter 4 verse 41, that” Jesus is a child of God. ”

Luke 4:41 New King James Version (NKJV)
41 And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ, the Son of God!”

And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.

BM : Then please open “Matthew” chapter 5 verse 9.
AW : Good. In the chapter and verse it states:

Matthew 5:9 New International Version (NIV)
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.

BM : Based on that verse the “Son of God” is meant to be respected like the Prophet.

If Jesus is considered a child of God, then all those who reconcile humans (the peacemakers) become children of God too. So it’s not just Jesus, the Son of God, but there are too many.
AW : In “John” chapter 14 verse 9 it says “Who has seen me, has seen the Father,”

John 14:9 New International Version (NIV)
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

and in verse 10 it says:

John 14:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

BM : Alright. Please check “John” chapter 17 verse 23.
AW : Good. In this chapter it is stated that:

John 17:23 New International Version (NIV)
23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

BM : Notice that in this verse there is a word “I in them.” The word “them” in this verse is a disciple of Jesus.

What is meant by “with me” is Jesus. So the word “I AM” with them means Jesus and his disciple.

So God is with Jesus and his disciple.

If you believe in the unity of Jesus with the Father, then you must believe in the unity of the Father with all of 12 Jesus’ disciples.

So it is not only Jesus and the Holy Spirit who are one with God, but must add 12 more people.

This is called the union of God or that the union of God is not just a Trinity but 15-nity.

So based on the dispute over these verses, which one is correct.

Three become one or 15 become one? Which verse would you believe, the three being one or the 15?

AW : Wait a minute sir, this is somewhat confusing me.

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BM : Certainly it will be more confusing to you if I show another verse. please check “John” chapter 17 verse 3.
AW : Good! Here it says:

John 17:3 New International Version (NIV)
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

BM : In this verse it says that Only True God and in that verse also mentioned that Jesus Christ is the Messenger of God (Messenger / Apostle).

If so, which is correct.

In one verse mentions God with Jesus becoming one, in another verse 15 being one and another God is one, while in that verse it also says that Jesus is the messenger of God not God.

According to your confession, a holy book whose content contradicts one another is very difficult to believe in its holiness, because the so-called holy is clean from errors and disputes.
AW : Is there still a verse that says that?

BM : What verse do you mean?
AW : The verse that says that God is One (Single), not three becomes one.

BM : Please open it in “Deuteronomy” article 4 verse 35.
AW : Good. In this chapter and verse it states:

Deuteronomy 4:35 New International Version (NIV)
35 You were shown these things so that you might know that the Lord is God; besides him there is no other.

BM : It is clear in the Bible itself that God is One, Single.
AW : But that is in the Old Testament. Is it also in the New Testament?

BM : You ask in the New Testament, alright. Please open Mark chapter 12 verse 29.
AW : Good. In the chapter and verse it states: ”

Mark 12:29-31 New International Version (NIV)
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

BM : Check again in the Old Testament in “Deuteronomy” chapter 6 verse 4.
AW : Alright, it says here:

Deuteronomy 6:4 New International Version (NIV)
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

BM : Is it not yet clear that the Bible itself is the Scripture for Christians mention that God is one, not three to one or one to three.

Put the word in the Bible there is a verse that says God is three into one, I want to ask which of the two verses is true, the One or the three become Single or 15 become one?

So one of the three verses must be true, because it is clear the two verses are not the same.

If one or both of them are wrong, then there is something wrong with the Scriptures; so it’s not a holy book.

AW : That’s right, either one must be wrong or all are wrong.

BM : If so, can the truth be believed to be a holy book, if the sacred book contains errors or incorrect content.
AW : Yes, the so-called holy books must be clean from mistakes if not so the inner sanctity of the scriptures is nullified.

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BM : According to your belief, was Jesus united with God?
AW : Yes it is.

BM : If so surely Jesus is always with God and God is always with Jesus?
AW : That’s right as it is in “John” 10, 30 which reads as follows:

John 10:30 New International Version (NIV)
30 I and the Father are one.”

Likewise the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit became one with Jesus, as in the gospel, was after Jesus was 30 year the holy spirit fell to him and was baptized by the baptist namely John.

So it is clear that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, God is one.

BM : Then please open “Matthew” chapter 27 verse 46.
AW : Good, the article and the verse says:

Matthew 27:46 King James Version (KJV)
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

BM : Based on Jesus’ appeal in the verse, it is clear that Jesus is not united with God, that is, God left Jesus, time will be crucified.

If God is to be one with Jesus, at the right time to help Jesus, but in reality God is not united with Jesus, so Jesus himself asked for help.

AW : But Jesus did indeed live for the cross to atone for the sins of men.

BM : If his life was indeed for Jesus to be crucified, why was Jesus unwilling and refused to be crucified.

The proof is he cried out in a loud voice asking God to help him escape from being crucified. In other words Jesus was not willing as a penance.
AW : That’s right, I don’t understand why the Bible verses are confused.

read also: Jesus crucifixion, Unwanted Sacrifice? #1

BM : That is why you worshiped Jesus as God who has no power to save himself, instead asking for help.

No wonder there is such a God.

And I continue the question, are the people who crucified Jesus cursed?
AW : they must be cursed.

BM : they should not be cursed, instead Jesus must thank those who crucified him, even they should be rewarded, because according to your testimony, the life of Jesus must be crucified to atone for sins.

If there were no humans who were willing to crucify Jesus, then human sins would certainly not redeem them.

So the people who crucified Jesus were credited with Jesus and Christians.

However, those who have proven meritorious are even cursed.

They should go to heaven and be praised for their services.

AW : This does not make sense or at least is difficult to understand; but the Spirit of God united with Jesus is not impossible.

Like many people possessed by ghosts, jinn angels or other spirits, so the actions and actions according to the will of these spirits.

Likewise there are those who possess the Holy Spirit like the spirit of angels so that their actions and actions are holy.

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BM : Well then let me make a question; Man who is united (possessed) by the genie is he called a genie.
AW : No!

BM : Jesus who united (received) the Spirit of God was he called God?
AW : It shouldn’t be either.

BM : It should be like that. So it is clear that Jesus who received the divine Spirit is certainly not God.

Humans who receive God’s revelation are not God but are messengers of God.

Accordance with Jesus ‘own confession as stated in “John’ chapter 17 verse 3 which reads:

John 17:3 New International Version (NIV)
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

AW : I then did not even understand about the Divinity of Jesus.

BM : According to your statement earlier, that humans are united with (possessed) spirits such as spirits, jinn and angels, then their actions and actions must be according to the will or resemble the actions of spirits?
AW : That’s right.

BM : If that’s the case then the Jesus you confess is united with God, his actions and actions should be similar to God’s.
AW : You should.

BM : But the reality is not like that. God is not sleeping but Jesus is sleeping, God is not eating but Jesus is eating, God is not sick but Jesus is sick, God is not worshiping anyone but Jesus is worshiping God.

God did not die but Jesus died, although according to Christian Doctrine came back to life but he died.
AW : According to Christians, one of the reasons for Jesus being united with God is because he knows the unseen.

BM : Then please open “Mark” chapter 13 verse 31, 32.
AW : Well, the verse says:

Mark 13:31-32 New International Version (NIV)
31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown
32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

 

BM : Clearly in the Bible itself it is written, Jesus himself claimed that no one knew when the Day of Judgment, but only God himself.

So it is clear that Jesus Himself did not know the time of the Day of Judgment, which was included in the unseen. Those who don’t know that are definitely not God.
AW : But Jesus referred to himself in this verse with the words: “Son,” which means he is a child of God.

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BM : Please open “Matthew” chapter 1 verse 16.
AW : Good. It says:

Matthew 1:1-16 New International Version (NIV)

16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

BM : It is clear that the one who was begotten was definitely not God as stated in the verse.

Please check again the “Exodus” article 4 verse 22.
AW : Good. It says:

New International Version
Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,

BM : In this verse it says that Israel is the firstborn son of God, whereas Jesus is not mentioned as the number of children.

please open again “Jeremiah” chapter 31 verse 9.
AW : This verse says,

New International Version
They will come with weeping; they will pray as I bring them back. I will lead them beside streams of water on a level path where they will not stumble, because I am Israel’s father, and Ephraim is my firstborn son.

BM : It is very clear that based on the Bible itself, there are many children of God, not just Jesus, when in fact what is meant by “children” in that verse are those who are loved by God, including Jesus, so they are not real children.
AW : But in “Matthew,” chapter 1 verse 18, states as follows:

Matthew 1:18 New International Version (NIV)
Joseph Accepts Jesus as His Son
18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.

Holy Spirit means the Spirit of God.

Therefore Jesus is a child of God, as also in “Matthew” chapter 1 verse 20 states:

Matthew 1:20-21 New International Version (NIV)
20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”

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BM : Then please open: “Acts,” chapter 6 verse 5.
AW : Well, the verse says:

Acts 6:5 New International Version (NIV)
5 This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit; also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism.

BM : So based on the Bible verse itself shows that the Holy Spirit is not only in Jesus.

This shows that the Holy Spirit is the Holy, which means a spirit that is clean from unclean spirits, not like a demon or ghost.

As with other Prophets with their holy spirit.

According to the Qur’an, the Holy Spirit means “Gabriel.” The Bible itself mentions that the earlier prophets were Holy.
AW : In what article in the Bible does it say that?

BM : Please check the second letter of Peter article 3 paragraph 2.
AW : Good. this chapter and verse says:

2 Peter 3 New International Version (NIV)
2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.

BM : It is clear in the Bible itself that the Holy Spirit is not God in other words that Jesus in the womb of Mary is not God or the Spirit of God, but is a clean, holy spirit, with the permission or command of God that is given to the servant he wants.

Clearer you hope to check in “Acts,” chapter 5 verse 32.
AW : The verse says:

Acts 5:32 New International Version (NIV)
32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

BM : Please check again in ‘Luke’, chapter 1 verse 41.
AW : This article states that:

Luke 1:41 New International Version (NIV)
41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

BM : It is very clear that the meaning of the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit that God gives to whomever he wants.

if the Holy Spirit were interpreted by God or the Spirit of God, then not only would Jesus be God or God’s child, but all those who obey God, the Prophets and Elizabeth (wife of Zechariah) should also be God.

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AW : Jesus was considered to be God because he had the Godhead, as evidenced by the rank of God so that he could raise the dead. This is God’s similarity to Jesus.

BM : If so, please check in the “Book of the Second Kings” chapter 13 verse 21.
AW : Alright, there is a mention here:

2 Kings 13:21 New International Version (NIV)
21 Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man’s body into Elisha’s tomb. When the body touched Elisha’s bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.

BM : Here it mentions that Elisa’s bones can resurrect the dead.

So not only Jesus can raise the dead even Elisa’s bones can raise the dead.

Which means Elisa’s bones are divine bones.

If Jesus at the time of his life can raise the dead, but Elisha at a lifeless time, even only with her bones, which in the tomb can resurrect the dead.

If the actions of Jesus are said to be miraculous then Elisha is more miraculous than Jesus.

So Elisha also considered God too.

Check again in “The Book of the First Kings,” chapter 17 verse 22.
AW : Yes, here it mentions:

1 Kings 17:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 The Lord heard Elijah’s cry, and the boy’s life returned to him, and he lived.

BM : If it is fair, Elisha should be considered God too.
AW : But Jesus can heal the blind to see.

BM : Then check “The Book of the Second Kings,” chapter 6 verses 17 and 30.
AW : Yes in that chapter it means that Elisha can heal the blind, so they can see.

2 Kings 6:17 New International Version (NIV)
17 And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.

2 Kings 6:30 New International Version (NIV)
30 When the king heard the woman’s words, he tore his robes. As he went along the wall, the people looked, and they saw that, under his robes, he had sackcloth on his body.

BM : In that case, Elisha also must be considered God, because it is equal to Jesus and equals the nature of God.
AW : Again Jesus can cure leprosy (leprosy).

BM : Please check the second book of Kings chapter 5 verses 10 and 11.
AW : Good. In the chapter and verse it says that it means that Elisha can heal a leper named Naaman.

2 Kings 5:10-11 New International Version (NIV)
10 Elisha sent a messenger to say to him, “Go, wash yourself seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh will be restored and you will be cleansed.”

11 But Naaman went away angry and said, “I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the Lord his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy.

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BM : So Elisa can heal the blind and leprosy can actually raise the dead. Why isn’t God also?
AW : However, the chapter of Jesus’ events without mixing men and their wives. This is the strength of Jesus’ spirit over Elisha’s spirit.

BM : The origin of the incident of the Prophet Adam without father and mother.

Why Adam was not considered God.

Eve also originated the incident without a mother, she could also be considered the God of Women.
AW : But Adam and Eve both sinned.

BM : Then Jesus also sinned, because Jesus was a descendant of Mary, while Mary was a descendant of Adam and Eve.

Jesus himself was taken by Satan to the top of the mountain. No wonder God was taken by Satan.
AW : Where is the story mentioned?

BM : In the Bible. Please check “Luke” chapter 4 verse 5.
AW : Good. It says:

Luke 4-5 New International Version (NIV)

5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.

BM : Well, a strange event, God was brought by the devil which means he submitted to the will of the devil.
AW : Even so Jesus is still holier than sin.

BM : Other Prophets are also pure from sin.

However, they did not consider themselves to be God, even Jesus himself did not even claim to be God, while his followers deified him.
AW : Not so, the Prophets sinned but Jesus did not.

BM : Prophets who commit sins or mistakes have repented, then were forgiven by God, just as Jesus had asked forgiveness and was forgiven by God.

Those Prophets were given forgiveness, meaning that their sins had already been finished, and then they were called clean from sin and mistakes.
AW : Where does it say that Jesus felt he was asking God to forgive?

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BM : Please check it yourself in “Matthew” chapter 6 verse 12.
AW : Alright, in the chapter and verse it says:

Matthew 6:12 New International Version (NIV)
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.

BM : Clearly Jesus himself asked forgiveness for his mistakes. So he made a mistake.
AW : But in this verse there is also a mention that Jesus likes to forgive everyone’s mistakes to him.

BM : If that’s the case, we can too. We too are willing to give forgiveness to those who make mistakes for us.
AW : But there are no humans other than Adam who were born into this world without Father, but Jesus alone.

So it can still be justified if Jesus is called “Son of God”.

BM : If for example there was a human being born without Father and Mother, then that person would surely be recognized by you that he has more right to occupy God’s title than Jesus was born without Father alone.
AW : But in human history there has never been, and it is impossible.

BM : If there were, then which of the two would have a higher degree of Godhood between Jesus who was born only without fathers and humans who were born without Father and Mother.
AW : According to reason, of course humans born without fathers and mothers have a higher degree of divinity. Because he was born more miraculous than the birth of Jesus.

BM : Is that really your opinion?
AW : Yes, I admit, such a man is more miraculous than Jesus; but I ask that you show it in the Book; and you have to take it from the famous book, not from fairy tales books or imaginary stories.

BM : To get this matter settled quickly, please check with the Bible, your own Scripture.
AW : In what chapters and chapters does it mention?

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BM : Please check with “Hebrews” chapter 7 verses 1, 2 and 3.
AW : Alright, in this chapter and verse it goes like this:

Hebrews 7:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
Melchizedek the Priest
7 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,

2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.”

3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

BM : Enough, you have read in your own scripture, that Melchizedek was a king in Salem without Father and Mother, in fact there was no genealogy.

In accordance with your opinion, whether the stories mentioned in your holy book are in the form of fairy tales or imaginary stories.

If you say fairy tales or imaginary stories, then will you accept if someone says that your holy books contain fantasy stories or fabricated stories?

And if you still maintain the sanctity of your book, why don’t you appoint Melchizedek as God too, in fact the position of God is certainly higher than Jesus.

And hold on to your own conviction that the birth of Melchizedek is more miraculous than Jesus, because Jesus was born without a Father while Melchizedek was born without a Father and Mother.

Besides that Melchizedek still has more advantages than Jesus, because Jesus was born with a genealogy, namely from Mary, whereas according to the Bible itself Melchizedek was born without any genealogy.

Will you still maintain the lordship of Jesus?
AW : I then didn’t understand and got confused !!

BM : Not understanding is okay, and confusion is actually okay, because if you understand the confusion will disappear by itself.
AW : Yes, I justify your statement.

But in the Gospel of John chapter 1 verses 1 and 2 states:

John 1:1-2 New International Version (NIV)
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 He was with God in the beginning.

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BM : In the arrangement of the verses above there are connecting words: “with” or together.

If someone says “The Salim with the Amen” then in this sentence everyone can understand that the Salim is still Salim, not the Amen,

so based on the Bible verse that you read with the composition “the Word” (Jesus) with God, you can immediately understand that Jesus is not God, and God is not Jesus.

It is clear that Jesus is not the same as God: in other words Jesus is not God.

And in that verse it also says that word with God. Though word is not God and God is not word. So God and word too.
AW : What if Jesus was called the Son of God.

BM : I explained that to you in our last discussion.

And you have recognized the truth of my statement.

Now I add, If God is childless, whether his child is a human being like Jesus or others, then to the One God is tarnished by it.

While we cannot even desecrate God.
AW : But in the book: “Revelation,” chapter 22 verse 13 says:

Revelation 22:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

BM : These series of words are not Jesus’ own words, but God’s words to Jesus.

Proof of the truth of my words, please check in the Book of “Revelation” chapter 21 verse 6.
AW : Alright, this chapter and verse says:

Revelation 21:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

BM : Clearly in the verse it says: “Then he said to me,” Who said to me (to Jesus) in this verse?
AW : Of course God said.

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BM : So what I say is Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, not the words of Jesus himself, but the word of God to Jesus.
AW : In John chapter 8 verse 58 Jesus said:

John 8:58 New International Version (NIV)
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

BM : If Jesus is said to be “A Beginning.” Because at first Jesus did not exist, then was begotten by Mary and after that Jesus died. Even though he is said to be alive again.

And the dead person cannot be said: “the latter,” and if Jesus is alive again, it cannot be said: “Beginning,” nor “the latter,” not the “beginning,” nor: “the end.”

AW : I then increasingly did not understand, even more confusing me because at first Jesus was not there, then begotten by Mary and after that Jesus died.

What originally did not exist, cannot be called “the beginning.”

If Jesus was begotten, it would be impossible to be called “the beginning” and if Jesus had ever died, it would be impossible to be called “the latter.”

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BM : To be clearer to you, I face the question: If Jesus was called “the beginning,” then what on earth would you admit that Jesus is God.
AW : Yes, that’s right.

BM : If that’s the case, what do you think, if in your scriptures there is a mention that there is a human other than Jesus, who has no beginning and no end. Will humans also be recognized by God by you?
AW : In which article does it say that?

BM : Before I show, do you still have the opinion that you will acknowledge God to someone who has no beginning and no end, as you believe in Jesus.
AW : If there really is, of course I doubt or at least doubt me about the truth of Jesus as God.

BM : You should acknowledge God both, in other words besides Jesus there is an Additional God.
AW : Yes, it could be that way.

But of course my belief then added abysmally.

Where does the article say that there is a human being with no beginning and no end?

BM : I have said in your own holy book. Please open Hebrews chapter 7 verses 2 and 3.
AW : Fine, as I have read to the first line of the third verse of the chapter as follows:

Hebrews 7:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
Melchizedek the Priest
7 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,

2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.”

3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

BM : How do you feel about the arrangement of this verse. Based on this verse it was not only Jesus who was the beginning but also Melchizedek.
AW : My belief is indeed wavering about the Lordship of Jesus.

BM : Whether or not it is up to you, obviously there is no intention at all to invite you to leave Christianity.

The important thing is discussion and research solely.

Researching and analyzing something is the right of all people, as long as the research really does not interfere with public tranquility.
AW : Thank you, and I will still ask you again; it’s known I’m looking for satisfaction that can lead to my belief in converting to religion.

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BM : Sure, that belief arises after investigating and researching with satisfaction.

In Islam there is no compulsion.

The important thing is to convey (da’wah), nothing more than that.

Continue your question.
AW : After we discussed about the Lordship of Jesus there arose doubts in my heart, but are you still willing to show Bible verses that state that Jesus is not the Son of God.

BM : Even though I have shown the Bible verses myself, about Jesus’ own admission that God is one, but for your hope I will fulfill them too. But should we not continue tomorrow night because it is already night time (12.25).
AW : Yes, thank you, let’s continue tomorrow night.
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